You mention liking Galactic Civ2 in discussion of 4x space strategy games. I thought that game was terrible. The controls were awful or non-existent. You had no control of spaceship fights, etc. Could someone explain what was appeal? MOO2 is much older but much better. Another Space Empire building game I liked a lot was Pax Imperium which I think no one else played or remembers? It was much like MOO2 but better graphics and the space battles were fantastic. For instance when your fleet attacked a planet or you defended a planet with your orbitals it had the greatest pyrotechniques I have ever seen in game. It was a wild light show that really conveyed the sense of unleashed power...It made Galactic Civ battles look pathetic.