MrHoatzin

But they are asking for so little money—unless everyone in that demo vid was a hired actor/stock footage—the work that has already gone into this probably eclipses the kickstarter many times over. I could see how the Kickstarter could be their attempt to gauge the public's interest or a way to get out the word about their product. The game they're playing is so big that I doubt it is the money that they're really after here. The Kickstarter campaign is just free press with a cherry on top. If however they disappear tomorrow and the console never sees the light of day, then we'll know what exactly their game was.

I somehow doubt he would throw money at something that was crazy pie in the sky untenable.

Where did I read that Ed Fries is also somehow behind this?

That Gamasutra article is filled with conventional wisdom and truisms. Let's wait and see how it all plays out.

Fun times!

I need an incentive to go on. I've played the first couple of levels and so far there is a lot of hacking and slashing, some strategy and tactics, and a lot of super sacharine art. I don't have problem with any asset individually or the style in general—stuff is super gorgeous, no argument—it is when they're all put in a pile together that it gets busy and kindof focusless. Does the art get more coherent as one goes on? Also I take it there is a story that is worth hanging out for? Hmmmm.

It blows my mind that after all that was said, you still insist on equating being bullied for being a white dude for being bullied for not being a white dude.

I hadn't actually read the PA Kickstarter until after I posted… it is like they're crassly poking fun at Kickstarter itself. The tone is atrocious and insulting as fuck, but I don't disagree with their goal/approach otherwise. Maybe we need a different kind of marketplace to allow the grimy masses to just directly support cool people to avoid soiling Kickstarter with this sort of controversy.

I think I am the only person in the world who thinks this is an awesome use of Kickstarter. This is how support of culture should work. I was actually thinking about doing something like this myself. I am slowly building a fancy new web comic creation+publishing+hosting platform. I was going to make a v0 alpha, release it and then Kickstart further development and support. Now I am not so sure.

Ah, poop. By "casual hardcore console gaming public" I mean people who patronize the other console dynasties, but wouldn't be opposed to jumping ship. I say casual hardcore because someone who is truly hardcore is likely to want his Madden every year and looking exactly the same as the last Madden—or Warmen of Warhonorvalorduty 2012—or whatever it is those people play. These dudes are not easy to sway at a point before big publishers are on board (to bring their tried-and-true xtreme stupid along)—and the big publishers are not going to be on board until they have no other choice (due to the symbiotic relationships with big console manufacturers). Since I think it unlikely that Ouya can compete with consoles directly with just the indie market and its developeriat in its pocket, something else has to turn its way. Maybe I am wrong and there are hefty publishers out there that would like to fuck over the old school console makers by embracing this thing. It would have to be someone in the third or fourth place, with nothing to lose and a lot to gain by having an early adoption bonus. And by "do something important better than the other guys", I mean insert something new and exciting and must-have into their service/promise, something that the big guys are failing to deliver. It could be that happy developers and easy development is all it needs at this point. There is not much candy that is being offered to the consumers tho.

I'm with Nachimir on this one. I dunno why people fixate on the PLAY PHONE GAMES ON YOUR TV when this thing looks to be pretty powerful on its own. The big console makers are getting stogy and boring. Dealing with them from either side of the market is a chore. Something needs to light the fire under them. This goes especially for MS & Sony. I have no doubt that execs at both of them are pointing a finger and laughing at Ouya, as stupid and intransigent as they are. All it takes is a relatively small marketshare not going to a monopoly/cartel for interesting things to happen. MS failed to strangle the internet when there was 10% of people using the olden open source Mozilla. I guess a case can be made that the PC is the true alternative to consoles and that Ouya will be competing directly with the PC not the consoles. I guess we'll have to see what the ultimate cross-section of the audience of this machine ends up being. If they can appeal to a more casual hardcodre console gaming public, and they do somehting important better than the other guys, this can end up being pretty huge.

I think he is afraid that we will sue him for stealing our awesome ideas, so he is staying away for his own protection.

This bit here makes the case as to why this form of game is an interesting and valid medium of expression:

Oooh, "slippery slope!" I can't believe you went there. So insensitive.

It bugs me that most people who start these fan projects don't realize what was awesome about DOTT-style perspective or how to use it.

When I played this game 30 years* ago, the pixels didn't spin or glow… It seems like a kind of thing that is engineered to eat quarters. Have you considered how you could refresh/revisit/evolve the old school mechanics somehow? * I did not play this game 30 years ago. This kind of gameplay is not my cup of tea, maybe you were going for something pure and simple that is beyond me, in which case feel free to ignore me.

Guilty.

What time were you thinking of doing this thing?

I read somewhere that in Soviet Russia as universities were coeded in the initial liberal wave, women went into medicine in disproportionate numbers to men. After a couple of generations, medicine did become a primarily female domain—degrading its value in society. Eventually tractor drivers' (generally a male domain) trumped doctor's salaries. Arbiters of value and worth in societies tend to be those in charge, so dudes.

We should close this thread and never speak of it again.

Boxquote material this. Well, the first part.

Yeah! Strong Female Characters, mang! http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=311 http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=336

Not really! Interpreting your question with the stress on identify—as if I am expected to relate to a Platonic ideal of sorts—I don't know how anyone can. I find myself in some sort of muddy middle ground without a name. For me to identify on that level I feel like there needs to be some sort of culture for me to embrace and I don't think there is. Also, that kind of question seems engineered for a No Real Scotsman style argument/threshold-seeking that is somewhat antagonistic to messy middle grounds where culture and nurture and whatever intersect. Edited for clarity.

Well, for what it's worth, I thought I was being plenty obvious there in spite of the cruft of plausible deniability.