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Motion sickness problems, preference of PC controls (may or may not include general lack of southpaw control schemes), not having an HDTV, etc.

Can't you hook up your console to your PC monitor? (That's what I do.)

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Nice! If the PC port is any good, I will definitely get that, as it would be much more convenient for me. I hope they won't fuck it up this time.

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Can't you hook up your console to your PC monitor? (That's what I do.)

Yes, that's physically possible with some monitors. This isn't a problem with me, you just asked why anyone would want the PC version. I know my girlfriend has all of the aforementioned problems and her PC monitor only has a VGA and DVI port. Even if she ponied up the cash for a 360 VGA cord, she still wants it for Kinect and Netflix in the living room. I somehow doubt this is an uncommon scenario.

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Not sure why you'd want a PC version anyway. Those ports tend not to be very good, right? (Bully, GTA:IV, etc.)

Both of those are fine ports, GTA is very demanding but it looks a metric fuckton better than the console version, which still chugged. Plus you can use a controller over a keyboard and get a better version of the console experience. Also it accounts for the users who don't have consoles, or prefer PCs.

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Gah, I don't care that much about LA Noire, but where's my RDR for PC? Rockstar clearly don't want my euros..

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Both of those are fine ports, GTA is very demanding but it looks a metric fuckton better than the console version.

Really? I heard they were both very bugged, and none of the screenshots I saw of GTAIV looked any better than the 360 version. I guess I got the wrong end of the stick. (Maybe I'll pick it up next time it's for sale on Steam -- I wouldn't mind an even slicker version of the game to play around in.)

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This video has the game running on almost three year old hardware and the difference is still quite significant (not to mention the fact that there were probably tons of both game patches and hardware-specific patches) -

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pc-360-comparison-grand-theft/43929

What significant differences? The draw distance at 2:00 in is identical. It looks a little crisper, but that's about it.

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What significant differences? The draw distance at 2:00 in is identical. It looks a little crisper, but that's about it.

Draw distance is user selected from graphics menus, so it's not really a good measure of parity. I would say it's a lot more than "a little crisper", particularly when you look at any of the vehicles or the characters. In the particular example you chose, the level of detail in the buildings when you see all of Liberty City is noticeably and notably better even when the whole city is rendered.

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Draw distance is user selected from graphics menus, so it's not really a good measure of parity. I would say it's a lot more than "a little crisper", particularly when you look at any of the vehicles or the characters. In the particular example you chose, the level of detail in the buildings when you see all of Liberty City is noticeably and notably better even when the whole city is rendered.

I just assumed that was down to grabbing video from a 360 -- it certainly looks clearer than that when you play it. Also, everything I've read about the PC version says its draw distance is the same as the 360 version. The textures are the same, and as far as I'm aware, so are the models, and, of course, it famously doesn't allow anti-aliasing. The only improvement from a PC version seem to come from water reflections and running at a higher resolution. Just doesn't seem that significant to me.

Edit: I found an article that claims that things are much better visually on the PC (including the draw distance -- which is obviously a massive exaggeration considering you could pretty much see to infinity on the 360 version), I'll check it out one day.

Edited by ThunderPeel2001

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I don't need to read anything to tell you that the level of detail with regards to the draw distance is a significant improvement when you crank up that meter on the PC version. And considering the fact that I played the PC version yesterday just to reconfirm my thoughts, I can tell you right now that it looks significantly better. If you want to read articles to tell me that I'm wrong, I really don't feel like entertaining this conversation anymore.

Edited by JonCole

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I don't need to read anything to tell you that the level of detail with regards to the draw distance is a significant improvement when you crank up that meter on the PC version. And considering the fact that I played the PC version yesterday just to reconfirm my thoughts, I can tell you right now that it looks significantly better. If you want to read articles and watch videos to tell me that I'm wrong, I really don't feel like entertaining this conversation anymore.

I don't know what your problem is, JC. You posted the video as proof, not me.

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I don't know what your problem is, JC. You posted the video as proof, not me.

Okay, I edited it. I just feel like you've been completely pedantic in your last few posts. People are complaining because they want PC versions of Rockstar games, you question why they'd want them to begin with. I give you some reasonable motivations, you question why those motivations are better than plugging in a 360 to a monitor. Patters and I both say that we've had positive experiences with the PC port of GTAIV, you say that your articles say otherwise. Sorry if my response was a little negative, I just feel like I can't get a word in edgewise without you pushing your personal experience on me and ignoring anything else.

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OK guys, leave it there before anybody falls out.

I still haven't beaten this game yet, and I really want to, but I won't have access to my PS3 until July 28th and later. Major bummer.

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Okay, I edited it. I just feel like you've been completely pedantic in your last few posts. People are complaining because they want PC versions of Rockstar games, you question why they'd want them to begin with. I give you some reasonable motivations, you question why those motivations are better than plugging in a 360 to a monitor. Patters and I both say that we've had positive experiences with the PC port of GTAIV, you say that your articles say otherwise. Sorry if my response was a little negative, I just feel like I can't get a word in edgewise without you pushing your personal experience on me and ignoring anything else.

Again, I don't know what your problems is. Every time I post something in this thread you've done your best to turn it into an argument. From arguing with me about my opinion of the game, to asking why someone might prefer a PC version over a console one.

My question was aimed at those who'd just said they wanted a PC version of Rockstar games. My eye was on Miffy, in particular, because he owns a PS3 and an XBox 360 -- and I've played GTAIV with him over XBL many times.

Your answer that those people will want the PC version because of motion sickness, difficulty with the controls, or not having an HD TV seems quite presumptuous to me.

I know for a fact that Miffy doesn't suffer from motion sickness and doesn't have problems with the controls (or at least he never complained about them when we played together), so that leaves the need for a HD TV, which is why I pointed out that a PC monitor was an option, as opposed to spending another $50 on each game just to play it in HD.

Patters, who I also played online with, and so I know is familiar with the console version, then helpfully answered my question. I responded to him, and said I'd probably gotten the wrong end of the stick, then.

At no point during our conversation did you ever state you had first hand experience of either the console version or PC version of GTAIV.

I then said I'd read an article that agreed with you, and that I'd check out the PC version one day.

Edited by ThunderPeel2001

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Not sure why you'd want a PC version anyway. Those ports tend not to be very good, right? (Bully, GTA:IV, etc.)

I think "motion sickness problems, preference of PC controls [...], not having an HDTV, etc." are good examples of why someone (apparently not Miffy then) might prefer the PC version. I read your question as you (passive) and could have given the same examples. I don't see how JonCole was being arrogant with that post.

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I had no idea that you were trying to address Miffy, so I read "you" as "someone". Furthermore, I haven't been trying to instigate arguments, I've been trying to address each of your points to the best of my ability. If you still think I was trying to be antagonistic earlier about your thoughts on L.A. Noire, I imagine you still don't get what I was trying to say the whole time. Clearly we've been misunderstanding each other on at least a few occasions, TP, so I'd like to end this now before it cascades into some "internet bullshit" levels of vitriol.

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I had no idea that you were trying to address Miffy, so I read "you" as "someone". Furthermore, I haven't been trying to instigate arguments, I've been trying to address each of your points to the best of my ability. If you still think I was trying to be antagonistic earlier about your thoughts on L.A. Noire, I imagine you still don't get what I was trying to say the whole time. Clearly we've been misunderstanding each other on at least a few occasions, TP, so I'd like to end this now before it cascades into some "internet bullshit" levels of vitriol.

Clearly you think I was attacking you, JC. The reason I brought up Miffy was to explain why I mentioned buying a VGA lead. Also, I'm sorry I didn't think the video was significantly better, but that was just my honest opinion. You never mentioned you'd had first-hand experience of either the console or PC version, so I wasn't contradicting your experience at all -- I was just talking about the video you posted. I then did more research and found an article that backed you up (but you misread what I wrote and assumed I'd said that I'd found an article that contradicted your personal experience).

From repeatedly misunderstanding what I was saying about LA Noire (I never said the game was devoid of "fun") to now accusing me of doing something I never did -- you can hopefully understand that that might appear to me as antagonistic?

If you've compared and played both versions of GTAIV, then of course I'll take your word for it, just like I did with Patters earlier in the thread.

Anyways, it seems we've both rubbed each other up the wrong way. Let's move on.

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Clearly you think I was attacking you, JC. The reason I brought up Miffy was to explain why I mentioned buying a VGA lead. Also, I'm sorry I didn't think the video was significantly better, but that was just my honest opinion. You never mentioned you'd had first-hand experience of either the console or PC version, so I wasn't contradicting your experience at all -- I was just talking about the video you posted. I then did more research and found an article that backed you up (but you misread what I wrote and assumed I'd said that I'd found an article that contradicted your personal experience).

From repeatedly misunderstanding what I was saying about LA Noire (I never said the game was devoid of "fun") to now accusing me of doing something I never did -- you can hopefully understand that that might appear to me as antagonistic?

If you've compared and played both versions of GTAIV, then of course I'll take your word for it, just like I did with Patters earlier in the thread.

Anyways, it seems we've both rubbed each other up the wrong way. Let's move on.

Just a few cool things about GTA IV on PC over consoles:

32 player multiplayer (vs 16)

Modability (there are 2 Vice City total conversions in the works)

Better graphics, filters (AA, AF), and framerates.

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Just a few cool things about GTA IV on PC over consoles:

32 player multiplayer (vs 16)

Modability (there are 2 Vice City total conversions in the works)

Better graphics, filters (AA, AF), and framerates.

Also the ability to record and make videos is pretty nifty. That said, I've read in quite a few places that AA can't be enabled in GTAIV PC. Did they patch it?

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Also the ability to record and make videos is pretty nifty. That said, I've read in quite a few places that AA can't be enabled in GTAIV PC. Did they patch it?

No, but you can force it through your graphics card.

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I'm actually selling my copy of LA Noire, I'm that indifferent towards it. Right now I can still make a decent Euro Point on the second-hand market (not through game stores), and I won't care about being able to play this again.

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I'm actually selling my copy of LA Noire, I'm that indifferent towards it. Right now I can still make a decent Euro Point on the second-hand market (not through game stores), and I won't care about being able to play this again.

As is generally the case with Rockstar games... I remember getting almost all of my money back when I finished RDR. Then they usually get to a point of being so popular that they lose all of their value. It's a weird value curve.

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As is generally the case with Rockstar games... I remember getting almost all of my money back when I finished RDR. Then they usually get to a point of being so popular that they lose all of their value. It's a weird value curve.

RDR has managed to keep its value, it seems. Whenever I check out the second hand price in HMV, it hasn't really gone down in ages. (I think it's still £27, which is pretty amazing for a game that old.) That said, while I could lose LA Noire, I wouldn't trade GTA or RDR.

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