maximusfuller Posted September 4, 2014 Once again I've interviewed someone that really needs no introduction but this time I'm just going to give you a link to his Wikipedia page if you need to read up on him. Me: You are an incredibly talented musician that mainly does work in the video games industry but could you see yourself in the future doing work outside of games? Chris: I could imagine doing music outside of games, but I don't know if it would necessarily qualify as "work." Before my career became an actual career (if you can even call it that currently—it feels very randomly-constructed to me), I used to write and record a ton of non-game-related music pretty much entirely for myself. I'd like to, someday, have enough time again where that would be possible. Every once in a while I'll toss something I write or record up on my Bandcamp page, but it's pretty infrequent: http://music.chrisremo.com/ In the future it would be nice to write and record full albums, which I used to do when I was still in college and recently graduated. Me: So you were doing a lot of work on your music before you entered the industry. One of your earlier jobs was in journalism. Why did you choose to go on the media side of things instead of straight into development and did you ever thing that you would become a dev when you were working as a journalist? Chris: I'm only in the video game industry at all by accident, actually—until it happened, I had no intention of being either a video game journalist or a video game developer. I was a music major in college and my original intention was just to "be in a rock band," which is an extremely ambiguous career goal. In high school and college I played in bands and loved it. Playing live shows is still some of the most fun I've had doing anything. Then in college I co-founded Idle Thumbs along with Jake and several people from the online adventure game community, including James Spafford and Marek Bronstring, among others. We all met each other online. At the time, all my "real-life" (as opposed to online) interests were around things like music, books, and movies, but then in my senior year of school I applied to a job at Shacknews on Jake's recommendation, and much to my surprise (given a total lack of real experience) I got it. So I found myself with a job in video game journalism, and it became my career for a few years before I moved into development. As for whether I thought I'd become a developer, I don't really remember if I thought about it very much. By the time I got hired at Irrational Games, nearly all of the people I regularly hung out with in my life were video game developers so it felt natural in some way, I guess, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything in real terms. I often feel that I have this job for no particularly good reason (which is how I felt as a journalist as well), so in the several years I've been doing it I've tried to expand my skill set as much as possible to justify the opportunities I've had. Me: Wow, that's a really awesome story. Currently you are working on the music for Firewatch. Can you tell us what the genre is of the music that you are creating and how it will be used effectively in the final product? Chris: I can't really talk about it in much detail right now–not because I'm not allowed to, but because it's still so early and there's not much there. We have a PAX panel scheduled where we'll show a gameplay demonstration and the first trailer, and the trailer will include the first piece of music I've written for the game. You'll be able to hear that soon. It has electric guitars in it. But I don't really know yet if the trailer music will necessarily be representative of what's in the game itself; the trailer music builds and builds in sync with what's going on visually, but the game will have very different tonal than a short intense trailer. I've done some various tests for in-game music, but none of it is conclusive at this point. Me: Fair enough, I understand why that you can't say much. Idle Thumbs recently welcomed a new member to the team, Danielle. What do you think the next big change to the network will be and do you have any changes planned? Chris: think from our (certainly my own) perspective, this wasn't really intended as a deliberate big change to the network or anything—regardless of the outcome, the actual motivation for bringing Danielle on permanently was simply that she fit in really well and was a valuable voice on the podcast. We weren't secretly looking for a new co-host or anything like that. I've been good friends with Danielle for about four years, and I don't think it would ever make sense or work out well to introduce a Thumbs co-host who isn't a good friend who fits in well. Like, we would never take applications and do tryouts and then hire someone and hope it would work out. (Also none of us get personally paid for this so that would make no sense for multiple reasons.) Making Danielle permanent is my favorite thing to happen to Idle Thumbs recently but it wasn't planned or orchestrated or part of an expansion or something. Idle Thumbs is just a weekly recording of conversation among people who work in the video game industry and share a certain kind of humor and outlook. As for further changes, who the hell knows. We always have all kinds of ridiculous ideas but only a tiny percentage of them ever get made because Thumbs is a spare-time affair and we're idiots with short attention spans. It would be nice to do more under the Thumbs name but I never know how to find the time. Me: That's really reassuring to know. Idle Thumbs was brought back after a successful Kickstarter. Do you think that if the project failed and you didn't accumulate enough money would the Idle Thumbs network still be up today and would Campo Santo be together? Chris: f we didn't hit our goal I think there's a really really strong chance we wouldn't have done the podcast anymore. The more time goes by the more I think that would have been the right decision. When we did Idle Thumbs from 2008 to 2010 it was paid for entirely out of pocket and recorded on a dining table in my studio apartment. Our lives were all somewhat different at the time we were in a position to bring the podcast back and that kind of bootstrapping just wasn't really going to be sustainable anymore. In the intervening years our lives got a lot more complex and we all had more time-consuming obligations and responsibilities, so the only way to make Idle Thumbs work in the way we wanted it to work (that is, always recorded together, not over Skype, with good recording quality and on a regular schedule) was if it could somehow be a self-sustaining entity with its own space and budget. The Kickstarter allowed us to rent a recording space, pay for equipment and hosting costs, tackle projects like the store in the high-quality way we wanted to do instead of as cheap on-demand products, and so on. Now that the Kickstarter money is mostly gone (technically a lot of it went away almost immediately because of the cost of manufacturing and fulfilling all the physical rewards, which were super fun to work on) we have made Idle Thumbs basically self-sufficient through ad sponsorships and the store. Without that initial money from the Kickstarter I don't think we would have been able to get to this point, and Thumbs would have been a slow drain on our money and physical space, and I think it would have been a lot harder to maintain the kind of enthusiasm that makes the podcast work at all. I'm incredibly grateful for the backers who let us make this stupid website something sort-of-real. Me: Final question: I can imagine that you are very grateful that Kickstarter exists because of what it did for Idle Thumbs but has your opinion on the crowd funding platform changed because of talk of people abandoning their project once they are done or just lying about what their project will be like? Chris: I don't think my opinion on Kickstarter as a platform has changed much. I think people need to be aware that every project they back is a risk. (There are also a lot of irresponsible project creators of course.) There are so many exploitative business models out there that aren't crowd-funding, so I don't think crowd-funding should be vilified because it can also be abused in addition to used well. I think there's probably a lot more crowdfunding abuse—mainly unintentional abuse born out of ignorance—in games than in many fields because game development is such an aspirational thing, and because game players tend to be a lot closer to game developers than, say, film viewers are to film directors. In games it seems a lot easier to rally people to the cause of getting your game made than it is as a filmmaker or author to rally people to their own cause. (Obviously, well-known figures in any field will have an easier time of this regardless of discipline.) Games just have a participatory nature that I think relates to that. That and many other complex factors lead to a real artificial inflation of video game Kickstarters (maybe including ours as well, who knows?) and that's going to inevitably lead to problems. Hopefully over time people, both project creators and backers, become savvier about the incredibly difficult realities of game development, and there will be fewer letdowns. Thanks for reading and thank you Chris for being such a good sport. If there's anyone you would like me to talk to just comment below! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melmer Posted September 4, 2014 He seems like a nice man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonCole Posted September 4, 2014 This interview really boosts my opinion of Mr. Remo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sclpls Posted September 4, 2014 I'm not sure there were really any hot scoops in this interview though. Video games was just mentioned in passing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonCole Posted September 4, 2014 There were plenty of scoops in maximus's last interview - https://www.idlethumbs.net/forums/topic/9582-idle-interviews-1-sean-vanaman-designer-writer/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melmer Posted September 4, 2014 For a giggle, when you interview Jake you should just ask him the top 10 job interview questions. Can you give me an example where you have gone the extra mile? What is your greatest weakness? Sell me this Biro? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syntheticgerbil Posted September 4, 2014 Leonardo DiCaprio does not say biro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thorn Posted September 5, 2014 Chris Remo bumped me the other night. It was a surreal moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maximusfuller Posted September 5, 2014 For a giggle, when your interview Jake you should just ask him the top 10 job interview questions. Can you give me an example where you have gone the extra mile? What is your greatest weakness? Sell me this Biro? I'll use these apart from possibly the last one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maximusfuller Posted September 5, 2014 I'm not sure there were really any hot scoops in this interview though. Video games was just mentioned in passing. Yeah I'm quite new to this but if there's anything you want me to ask Jake or anyone else just say! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osmosisch Posted September 5, 2014 Man, every time I visit Chris' wiki page there's a new terrible picture up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben X Posted September 5, 2014 Yeah I'm quite new to this but if there's anything you want me to ask Jake or anyone else just say! I think sclpls was just following up on JonCole's nickname pun ("boost") with two of his own ("hot scoops" and "video games") rather than actually criticising. Man, every time I visit Chris' wiki page there's a new terrible picture up. Ah ha ha! Amazing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sclpls Posted September 5, 2014 Haha yes I was just making puns, I enjoyed the interview quite a bit. Sorry for the confusion! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maximusfuller Posted September 6, 2014 Haha yes I was just making puns, I enjoyed the interview quite a bit. Sorry for the confusion! Ah, completely my fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roderick Posted September 6, 2014 Nice interview, Maximus! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maximusfuller Posted September 8, 2014 Nice interview, Maximus! Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites